Jul 25, 2018

Class 3A Team Rankings

78 comments

Class 3A Team Rankings According to RankWrestlers.com

1. Fruitland

2. Sugar Salem

3. Snake River

4. South Fremont

5. Teton

6. Kimberly

7. Timberlake

8. Weiser

9. Parma

10. Buhl

 

* Shelley was ranked at number 8, however, they are moving to 4A.

 

What are your thoughts?

 

 

Aug 22, 2018

I think that Fruitland is better than Sugar Salem by a hair. SS lost a lot of seniors last year. But Fruitland lots some point scores too. I just think SS lost too much. Snake and South only get better in my opinion, especially South. I think this years race is a lot closer than it was last year. All depends on how kids grow and spread out. I think that the Top 4 teams are a lock. Then there is the 2nd tier. I think that 5-10 could be sorted any which way. But I have been very impressed with Kimberly and Buhl kids as of late.

 

 

Aug 23, 2018

I haven't been paying too close of attention since last season. However last night, I spent some time looking around the 3A sphere. I think any individual that wants to win a state championship should shoot for 145, 152, or 160. Especially 160. It has been completely vacated. Those weights are usually a lot tougher. Anyone else see this?

Aug 25, 2018

Far Fetched, I think that those weights will balance out. I don't think 152 is that bad. I think there will be some movement up to 160 were it is, as you say vacated. Maybe some 170 kids will go down to avoid Hobbs. Time will tell. As you said though, I agree it seems weird that the middle weights that are usually packed with good kids are few and far between. Maybe it is just that there were so many seniors last year that these younger kids got a lot of educational lumps and will be a lot better than we expect.

Aug 25, 2018

I really don't know where kids are going to end up. But these are the kids on my watch list so far. There are no freshman included yet. And the kids are not really ranked in order. I am just trying to find the potential match ups.

98 and 106... I don't know. I think is is open for new faces. At 113 a rematch between Orr and Marin would be fun. I think that Summers controls the board in the middle. That pushes Hill to 120 and maybe others as well. Hill cut a lot of weight last year and I think it cost him in the end. If Bush stays down at 120, I think that creates a good fight. Summers doesn't get challenged at 126. It gets really speculative at 132 - 145 I think Cook, Norman, Banta, Evans, Hall and Hallet will divide and conquer these middle weights. Cook always looks big and Banta, I think after the year off, he is bigger now. My wild hair guess, Evans and Banta 132, Norman & Hall at 138, Cook & Hallet at 145. Things that wouldn't surprise me though; Evans at 126 or 132, Norman, Banta, and Cook at 132 or 138 and maybe 145 for Cook. If that doesn't happen, then I think it is Hallet and Zollinger at 145. Mix and match how you want. A few weigh ins will help solve that mess. I think Eckhart controls 152 and wins easy there because there are no contenders. Unless Salinas can get down again. But my bet is that he stays at 160 to fight with McCoy. I think it is a tough row for Salinas either place. McCoy wins 160. 170 is Hobbs. 182 is Fagan. 195 is where it gets interesting again. Kearn, See, and Bennion. I see a lot of movement between 195, 220, and 285. 285 has its two horses. That will push others to 220, but the only push I see is the smallish Dodge. 182 is not a winnable weight for a new comer, and neither is Heavy. So the kids in these four weights are going to crush into 2 weights. Cutburth is favored at 220. 195 is up for grabs with solid contenders. 285 will be Copely vs McGinnis number III. That is fun to see two studs at it again.

 

Here are my guesses at weights for next year. Grain of Salt guesses.

98

Brayden Herbert

Timberlake

106

Gus Carter

Snake River

106

Sam Rasmussen

Teton

113

Kade Orr

Buhl

113

Jonathan Marin

Sugar-Salem

113

Miguel Medrano

Fruitland

113

Garrett Blaser

Sugar-Salem

113

Evan Barajas

Bonners Ferry

120

Taylor Bush

Kellogg

120

Hunter Hill

Teton

120

Kooper Vonbrethorst

Weiser

120

Wes Shaw

Gooding

126

Destin Summers

Snake River

126

Cooper Cooke

Teton

126

Dylan Glider

Sugar-Salem

126

Martin Flores

Parma

126

Brandon Downs

Priest River

132

Isaiah Evans

Timberlake

132

Easton Banta

South Fremont

132

Manuel Naccarato

Priest River

138

Sway Cook

Snake River

138

Caleb Norman

Sugar-Salem

138

Juddson Hall

Kellogg

138

Kyle Richardson

Snake River

138

Dalton Arnzen

Fruitland

138

Tom Henderhan

Filer

145

Riley Hallett

Kimberly

145

Daxtyn Zollinger

Sugar-Salem

145

Jaegar Rose

Homedale

145

Cesar Tavarez

South Fremont

145

Tate Benson

Snake River

145

Kaden Fullmer

Teton

152

Corey Eckhart

Fruitland

152

Brody Vonbrethorst

Weiser

152

Caleb Miller

Timberlake

152

Anibal Barragan

Buhl

160

Michael Coy

Kimberly

160

Dre Salinas

Parma

160

Tristan Olson

South Fremont

160

Aiden Walters

Teton

160

Greg Gissel

Fruitland

170

Sawyer Hobbs

South Fremont

170

Josh Bednar

Teton

170

Broddey Cunningham

Kimberly

170

Joey Follini

Timberlake

182

Jonathon Fagen

Fruitland

182

Tanner Branson

Marsh Valley

182

Carson Roberts

Sugar-Salem

195

Wyatt Kearn

American Falls

195

Browning Bennion

Sugar-Salem

195

Gabe See

Bonners Ferry

220

Brisyn Cutburth

Fruitland

220

Ty Belnap

Snake River

220

Aaron Reyes

Priest River

220

Darrian Hoobery

Weiser

220

Jordan Dodge

South Fremont

285

Jake Mcginnis

Gooding

285

Kenneth Copley

Sugar-Salem

Aug 28, 2018

Good stuff Leverage. Thank you for the data to talk me off the ledge. I was pretty worried about 145-160 because of Rankwrestlers. It seems to you, and now to me there will be some upward movement to fill the spots. Here is my assessment of your data.

 

With Shelley moving up to 4A, 98 seems up for grabs. I don't think any of of last years little contenders make it back down. But I just don't know.

 

106/113 I think 106 will be very competitive along with 113. I think Orr and Marin separate. Just don't know which one will go where. And there is a good young 2-6th following in both weights. I think Orr at 106 and Marin 113 win the titles.

 

120 Hill wrestled part of the year at 126, then 120, then 113 for state. I don't think he makes 113 again. I think he is actually going to be a very very large 120. I like Bush to push him for the title, but Vonbrethorst beat him at State. So this could be more of a 3 man race. But if Cooper Cook is here as well, like last year at state (Cook and Hill both from Teton), than this just got interesting. I see them going 1 & 2. And maybe Orr or Marin as well up here. Just depends on how kids grow.

 

126 Summers and maybe Cooper Cook. Vonbrethorst has the potential to fill out a little more and he may be here as well.

 

132/138 I just don't know. I think the 132 Champ is either Banta or Norman and the other will be the Champ at 138. Though Evans needs to fit in here somewhere and he will be the contender for the title at either weight. Though it is a possibility that he is not this big. Add in Sway as a "maybe" and Hall more than likely from up North.

 

145 I debated this for awhile. And Leverage, I can see that you did too. In my crystal ball, Sway Cook will go 145. It would make sense if he did. He will win there. Spreads out the Seniors in the middle weights nicely. I always like it when good kids go out with a Title their senior years.

 

But where does that leave Hallett? Does he wrestle Cook at 145 or go up and wrestle the younger brother Eckhardt?

 

152 Hallett vs Eckhardt. If this happens I see this being one of the best matches of the year. Two Seniors both looking for a State Champ title. I tried my best to space the stud seniors but it has to happen somewhere. This is that conjectured somewhere. It is a total toss up here. One will leave a champion.

 

160 Salinas and McCoy. Like Leverage said, this will be a good one too. Thanks for putting this research out there Leverage. I thought that 145-160 was going to be garbage. But this looks to be awesome.

 

170 Agreed. Hobbs and everyone that couldn't avoid him.

 

182 Agreed. Fagen and everyone that could not get to 195. I think now as this sits that 170-182 could use some challengers. I hope that maybe they (Hobbs and Fagen) wrestled each other at least once during the season. I am sure we all would.

 

195 Kearn, and See. I wondered why you would put Bennion up here when I read your commentary. Though I see why you would now. I see this as a pretty tough weight for the reasons you already mentioned.

 

220. There are going to be really good kids here. I see some Heavy's cutting down to have a chance at the title. But Cutburth is the best.

 

Heavy: Maybe one of the most watched matches of next year's tourney. McGinnnis vs Copely for the 3rd year in a row. Love it.

 

I would like to know if we have any move ins, super stud freshman, or vastly improved kids that need to be accounted for.

Aug 29, 2018Edited: Aug 31, 2018

Way to early to guess ( I could be way off) but here goes...

 

98 to many new comers to guess

106 I think Orr stays down to cruze to another title

113 Carter, Marin, Herbert, Barajas, Rasmussen

120 Hill, VonBrethorst, Glider, Egusquiza, Medrano

126 Evans, Cooke, Bush

132 Norman, Summers, Flores, Downs

138 Banta, Hall, Arnzen, Richardson, Mass, Moris

145 Cook, Hallet, Zollinger, Benson, Tavarez, Hernderhan

152 Eckhart, Von Brethor, Miller

160 Mcoy, Salinas, Olsen,

170 Hobbs, Gissel, Barragan, Walters

182 Fagen, Bednar, Roberts, Moore, Cunningham

195 Kern, Branson, See, Bennion, Belnap, Morris

220 Reyes, Cutburth, Hoobery, Dodge

285 McGinnis, Copley

 

Team Scores

1. Snake River

2. Fruitland

3. Sugar Salem

Aug 29, 2018

Palestra, I can agree with your Team Scores. Only because I think this year will be super tight at State. Though, I think the expanded fromTop 3 to the Top 5 are all super tight. I think that Teton is the sleeper team and South Fremont right behind them. Somebody gets hurt or grades or whatever, and one of the top three becomes the 5th place team. With Shelley gone. How does 6th District qualify as many Kids to state this year. Not sure if they lost an auto qualifier or not but it seems they would. I would think having only 3 teams, and three of the best teams in the state, would mean a blood bath at Districts. In my mind that would give either Fruitland or Snake River the edge over any of the 6th's teams. I maybe wrong, I don't know how the allocations for 6th district work for state.

 

I still think that Fruitland is the team to beat.

Aug 29, 2018

2018-19 State Tourney 3A Team Scores Prediction

1 Fruitland 209

2 Snake River 203

3 Sugar-Salem 195

4 Teton 179

5 South Fremont 178

6 Kimberly 136

7 Weiser 125

8 Timberlake 92

9 Buhl 85

10 Parma 78

 

I know that this looks like a hypothetical set of numbers but this took a lot of time and research into multiple weight scenarios. One really good new to the school kid or an outstanding freshman will make the difference. Or like every year, some kid will step up in a big way. Cheers to that kid.

 

Why are we doing this? I spent way to much time on this. Completely guessing at presupposed weights and outcomes, old man gibberish. All of this is 100% debatable. I hope no one takes offense to any of my ramblings. I am just excited to watch wrestling again. I miss the old boards where I could go back and read all the awesome content. The old boards helped me when I started getting itchy for my wrestling fix. Oh well, here's to new things. Forgive me, if I have jumped the gun.

Aug 29, 2018

Sway Cook at 145 and Destin Summers 138 interesting.

Aug 30, 2018Edited: Aug 30, 2018

145 and 152 seem to be weak weights with not very many good kids. Being the studs that cook and summers are I don't think they want to cut weight when they can win titles where they are at, and allow teammate to crack the line up ( Richardson) which might be the key to them winning the title or not. Could they go down, yes, but that might leave Richardson out, or do Richardson and summers switch weights... will they find a way to get all three in the lineup...respectfully, I guess in my mind we will find out if they are a team or individuals.

Aug 30, 2018

The sixth district still could qualify 4 in a weight class potentially. They qualify a guaranteed 2. With two wild card spots.

Aug 30, 2018

Richardson is good for a young wrestler, but I would not be determining the Snake River line-up around him.

Aug 30, 2018

I'm only guessing little fish, what do you think the line up will be? Sometimes you hate to leave points that the team could of had...Just trying to guess what the coach would do...lets hear your thoughts...

Aug 30, 2018

I guess that I am really not impressed with some of these lineups because they feel a little 3rd, 5th and 6th District heavy. Really let me specify what I think is heavy; Snake River 5th, Fruitland 3rd, Sugar-Salem 6th, Teton 6th, and South Fremont 6th. Blah Blah. Kids from the North or from the middle of the state never get much respect on the Boards. Kimberly, Timberlake, Buhl, and Parma have a lot going on that seems to go unnoticed.

 

I understand that it is all just for entertainment value. Just wish it was a little more entertaining for those from outside the powerhouse areas. By no means am I upset that it is there is a lot of chatter about the top teams. I just wish there was more defense, support, and arguement of say kids like Hallett, Evans, and Hall.

Aug 30, 2018

We just need people from these districts to get on here and enlighten us about some of their good kids.

Evans, Hallett, & Hall are studs, Kimberly and Buhl have done a good job of improving their teams. Parma has a lot of history but are dominated by Fruitland and Weiser.

Aug 30, 2018

Fish, I have been doing rankings on this board for a long time. I have not been asked to do it. I just like to talk about wrestling. I hope that you have not felt like your kids or schools have been misrepresented in any of my opinions. I plead guilty to knowing about the better kids and better schools. I can talk about what I know. It is hard to know what I don't know. I would hope that others like you would feel that your opinions here matter. Multiple data points gives us all a lot better perspectives. I don't know who is who on the board here. But, I have long respected guys like LostFarmer, Guntoter, NukePlanner, Axes, Grizz, Palestra, and the others that I can't remember their screen names, who contribute to this community. I encourage everyone to stop being just a looker and start being a contributor. This isn't meant to be chastisement, rather, encouragement. I disagree with these guys a lot. It doesn't mean I don't like hear what they have to say.

Aug 31, 2018

Summers wrestled 120 at fargo. There is no way he is going 138. He will be at 132 is my bet.

Aug 31, 2018

Summers is college bound. Being at 125 (126) will help him get on a college team. All this other fluffy talk is garbage. I think avoiding Stacey last year cost him the opportunity to be a 4 timer. I believe he should have naturally been down a weight. I don’t think he makes the mistake of being at the wrong weight again. Last year 126 was too much, this year it should fit just fine. Too much on the line this year. This is my opinion. Not to be taken as fact or as persuasive arguments. Just observation. I am interested if others see it like this or not. In the end we don’t have a say, but it is fun to debate.

Aug 31, 2018Edited: Aug 31, 2018

I agree with you Wrestling Fan so I switched Summers and Richardsons weight class.

Aug 31, 2018

Here is what I see:

 

Returning State Champs from any year

Year - Name - State Champs - Finalists

10 Orr 1 1/1

12 Marin 1 2X Finalist

12 Summers 2 3X Finalist

12 Norman 2 3X Finalist

12 Cook 1 2X Finalist

11 Hobbs 2 2/2

12 Fagan 3 3/3

12 McGinnis 2 3X Finalist

 

Elite Gold Medal Contenders to consider with weights yet to be determined:

11 Herbert 98-106

11 Carter 106-113

12 Hill 120 - 126

11 Evans 126-132

12 Banta 138 -145

12 Hallett 145

12 Eckhart 152

12 Coy 160

11 Kearn 195

12 Reyes 220

12 Cuttburth 220

11 Copley 285

 

If I left out someone you consider a Gold Medal Contender. Let me know.

 

The likelihood of the Returning State Champs ending up in same weight classes is minimal. I can’t warranty that it won’t happen. However, if trends of the last forever years stays true they will likely, though not assuredly, separate. How do you see it working out?

 

On a side note, Lost Farmer where are you?

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